I've discovered an interesting site on the web: http://www.interlog.com:80/~pjm/cdshop/ibm/bykey.htm As far as I can tell, they aren't using any security whatsoever to get their credit card numbers. Is this common, or am I missing something here? Thanks, -Jason -- T. Jason Ucker Sys Admin/jSE tju@sgi.com Silicon Graphics Inc.